Supercross Help

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Wed, 01/20/2010 - 6:58am

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I don't exactly suck at Nationals, sometimes I even place in the top 5, but I always end up in 12th in Supercross events, even it I'm the only one playing. My bike setup: Blaze 250R -One click to acceleration, the rest to top end. -Two clicks from balanced suspension favoring the soft side -Balanced sticky and slick -Normal braking -Fast steering I try to have it so I can ride the same setup in both outdoor and indoor, that might be a bad idea, I dunno. My main problem is rhythm though. I just don't understand how all you guys simply ride around me in the rhythm sections. I mean I get that it's because I'm bouncing all over the place and flying off the track, but why aren't you? And most specifically getting back up to speed after blowing a landing in the middle of a tricky section. Is it best to try to get back up to speed fast, or should I just suck it up and roll the next few until I'm back on the flat? And does the clutch help in any of this? I know a lot of it is learning the track, but I'm doing something very wrong. Thanks.

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Wed, 01/20/2010 - 7:50am

Checkerz448

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If you are bouncing through the section, you're out of sync with the rhythm. Each section has designed lines through them where you can land smooth and carry the most speed. Most of the time these rhythms are made up of doubles and triples. To best find these lines, also keep in mind, most are designed to triple in if you carry a lot of speed from the outside of a corner, and a backup line is there in the form of a double if you mess up the corner. From there, it's just learning each section to find out where to double and where to triple. If you are racing with faster guys, watch their ruts to see where they are landing. As far as set up, I prefer more acceleration and sticky tires for supercross to help get through and out of corners faster. Yes, the clutch will help, but it only helps get up your RPM's, it doesn't give you a super human boost. To get back into rhythm, slow down and roll a jump and then try to double the next jump. Go slow to go fast.

Wed, 01/20/2010 - 7:55am

TheZenMan

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Top notch, thanks for that. I'll change the set up, but more or less you pointed out that I just need lots and lots more track time. Looks like I've got some hard weekends of racing all day in my boxers coming up, I'll try to manage.

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Wed, 01/20/2010 - 12:09pm

sectioned88

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I've never even touched the clutch during a race, mainly because I never think to. For supercross I have acceleration as far as it will go, leaving little for top speed. To me, it doesn't make much sense to cater to the top end of things when the straight-aways are so short and rhythmatic. Sticky tires jacked way up, suspension is way soft, steering is the quickest, braking is the slowest. Knowing how/when to use the brake can be very significant as well. Sliding the back end into a corner is often the quickest way - instead of jerking the rider left and right. And knowing how to recover from going down can put you into 1st when crossing the finish. If you go down in front of a large triple, it's ideal to double into and single out - rather than try the triple and, most of the time, facing the absolute balls out of it. The best set-up ever won't give you a bit of gratification, unless you know the best lines and keep up momentum. Once you find a quick routine, most of these specs won't even be an immediate issue. One of the best tracks to get speed and technique built up on is Stonepoint 1. It's super fast, super wide and has a little bit of everything you'll see in most other tracks. I thought I was pretty fast on that track until I first started playing online, then I realized I had to up my game a good bit. PS: I have yet to make a two-stroke bike put down lap times equivalent to a four-stroke. Have you messed with 450 at all? I usually run the two-strokes on nationals since they're theoretically capable of higher speeds.

Wed, 01/20/2010 - 12:27pm

TheZenMan

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Much appreciated, I was about to ask about braking. I have 450s but never tuned one just because I like the 2 stroke sounds, and when I rode, that's all there was. I hear a lot of people say the four stroke is where it's at though. I'll play with the setup, tune up a 4 banger and just get some laps in. Feel free to kick my ass, I'll be on most evenings after 6 or so EST.

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Thu, 01/21/2010 - 6:48am

TheZenMan

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All this turned out to be a huge help, so thanks again guys. I set up the Shima 250 and 450 with max acceleration, soft suspension, sticky tires, hard brakes and fast steering. I did much better than I ever have in a SX with both, but favored the 450. By the end of the night I stole a couple holeshots, rode almost a whole lap in 1st place, stayed in the top 5 and even finished on the podium once. All that is unheard of for me indoors. I still get schooled by 90% of the riders out there, but at least I feel like I have a real chance at kicking maybe a little butt one day. Not to mention I now love SX as much as I do the Nationals.

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Fri, 01/29/2010 - 8:57pm

moto95

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Here my piece. If you really like the 2 strokes, go for the Kawasaki (Dakumoto) 250S. It has the best top speed of all of them, so you can put all your points to acceleration. I got the tires a little stickier, but not to the max. When facing a rhytm section, don't seat bounce in the beginning of the first jump, try hitting that thing as smooth as possible, because if you get it good, you can seat bounce and maybe quad a section. If you kinda messed up on that one, tap the brakes and try doubling or trippling the section. Also, I would try just to triple all sections. I always mess up trying to quad, then I have to double the next one and all the riders fly past me. Oh yea, set bouncing is when you put the right analog stick back and when your front tire leaves the jump you push it up. If you'd like to I can show you in a private match or whatever.

Sat, 01/30/2010 - 9:57am

TheZenMan

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Thanks for that, I still suck but I'm getting faster. And I may have lied at the beginning of this thread, as it turns out, I do exactly suck at Nationals too. :(

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Sat, 01/30/2010 - 2:55pm

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Supercross Setup: Takashi 450F 2 light blue bars Top speed over accelleration to carry speed though Uturns and rhythm sections Maxed out on hard suspension for the large jumps. 2 light blue on slippery, the rest is on sticky, just because i dont think slippery works for any track, or any bike/tire My nationals setup depends on if its sand, mud, dirt, etc. All supercross tracks are hardpack, which is why i use that one setup.

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Tue, 02/23/2010 - 9:59pm

vaaalt

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manchester two is super slippery with the mud in the corners and has very limited hard pack. Once you get the lines though you can avoid the mud and rip on that track

Fri, 07/09/2010 - 5:07pm

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Ezra98

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my setup is(Supercross) Shima 450 2 clicks more in Acceleration compared to Top End 2 clicks more in soft vs. hard even slick/sticky hard braking normal steering for rhythem its all about timing try doubles at first and your speed eventually comes and you can try triples and even quads if you're lucky, the biggy is timing watch the pros race they all have timing, the way you want to be is like them, even if you have to slow down for a section. after getting up, roll a jump and try to double the clutch helps alot for the 2-strokes, but i rarely use it for the 450s, you can use it in the corners to keep your RPMs up, but i dont see a real need for it in the 450s hope this helps!